Tulpa.info - guide-discussion

I'm proud of it assuming it really was my influence there. My main disappointment is the lack of adjustment over time, people say parallel processing isn't possible now without any of the conclusions I drew from that fact.

What conclusions

 This is how I view parallel processing, having your own train of thought and being able to differentiate a tulpa/host vs yourself all while they have  their own thoughts/emotions.

I think this is more what parallel processing should be about. I've been going around all year trying to figure out what is possible and how to achieve it, and mostly coming away with "That's not possible." It leads me to believe tulpamancy is really very limited and tulpa and host basically have to take turns talking and existing. If it's possible to talk/think at the same time, I want to know more tbh

It's usually a lot of practice, but perhaps I'll write a guide on how to achieve it one of these days

7:58 PM

Been meaning to write a guide but it would have been an "all in one" sort of deal and we already have too many guides about that (edited)

8:00 PM

There's already guides out there for it, and another example is one person to do math problems and the other to write written sentence answers to questions

8:01 PM

I wouldn't be bringing anything new to the table imo, so something specialized might be more ideal

I noticed newbies are more or less just advised to talk to their tulpas, and once the tulpa can talk back, congrats, you're done! And with enough people making tulpas this way, advanced skills really look like myths that hardly anyone claims to be able to do

I wouldn't say "congrats you're done" by a long shot

Yeah, it went from guides and steps to people saying "just talk" which is... Lazy, I would dare say. Yes you do talk to your tulpa, but it's so aimless that it doesn't help most of the time. Settings goals helps out progress a lot, such as "today i want to force and share these traits my tulpa might be interested in!" for example.

8:12 PM

It's one of those situations where newcomers are the ones sharing the answers to questions without really having a grounding of what their answers mean. A bit unrelated, but it's an observation

It's too personal a process to really break into steps

8:13 PM

Probably a list of specific things one can do for forcing might be good as a tips and tricks submission though

8:13 PM

nobody steal that idea

A personal set of goals is what I meant, though I didn't really articulate it well.

How do you think a guide could help someone make personal goals?

Guides help provide structure, as they are generally associated with being a decent guideline for starting out. It's essentially a way to give ideas to newcomers and give them a good basis on ways to start forcing.

Ye

8:23 PM

I thought you meant guides that could specifically help people find personal goals

8:23 PM

Besides the basics

...I had no idea more people replied to my (attempt at an) intrusive thought guide. faceplant

2:45 PM

I remember seeing the post from Apollo but none of the others.

Reviews are wrapping up today, it's just me and JGC left.

I've updated the guide with some additions and edits

Ah, okay. I didn't see that coming, but that's fine. I can publish my original review with a copy of your older draft, because my review was close to done. I'll look over the changes you made and your questions and add that to my review (edited)

Yeah I just saw all the new posts and was like "...oh."

Wow a guide author who actually edits their guide

3:21 PM

That's like finding a shiny Pokemon

It's not much, just some little things. The guide is mostly the same

Oh, I see the edits. For a minute there I thought there was more to it. Thank you for highlighting the edits

no problem

3:27 PM

I just got through dealing with one not too long ago, and realized just how..."bleh" my guide is. (edited)

I don't think the guide is bad, it's just a work in progress. That's normal, most people don't write their best work on their first try. Cat submitted a wonderland guide awhile ago, but she realized she really wanted to change it or wait to add more to it.

Yeah, I realized I should not have written one so early in my experiences (edited)

3:32 PM

(even though it's technically been almost three years now)

All of the reviews are in Timer, feel free to take your time and go over everything. Remember that you don't agree with some of the feedback, feel free to refuse and explain why. (edited)

Thanks for your suggestions, Ranger. Getting to them now.

2:04 AM

I will admit that I meant to consult with Twilibri on this since she has aphantasia, but I never got around to asking her. Oops.

Guide has been (finally) updated

Are there any guides on how to overpower hosts?

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Bully them into submission

Kinda serious... i havent gotten any answers so i assume there arent. Thinking about seriously making one...

6:56 PM

Yeah...

Why not just learn how to switch?

Its useful if one party is reluctant to do something... has helped my lazy ass plenty

I'll be honest, the only reason I have that a thumbs up is because I have a strong will

If one party is reluctant, it's probably not a good idea at all

Well i dont care if its a good idea or not... just want to know if there are any. The girls can overpower me. And thats exactly why i wanna write a guide on how to do it AZ

I dont think it's really possible considering tulpas are all about communication

Well they can do it... so youre wrong

How so? I've known of a few alter systems that do that, but they aren't necessarily the .info definition of tulpa so I'm not sure if it's too alike

Because i had them practice it... and the girls are not alters... ive had them gradually resist movements from me which gradually made its way up to be able to kick me out

7:09 PM

Fherla: I just kicked him out of front tihi! Should get my tupperbox set up some time. ❤️

7:09 PM

It depends... you kinda have to consent to it first as host

7:10 PM

But when youve once done it

7:10 PM

Theres kinda no turning back

7:10 PM

I mostly did that so the girls do stuff for me i wanted to do

7:11 PM

But had no motivation for it

7:13 PM

Like getting out of bed... stuff like that. It could be abused for sure... but i recommend you having a pretty strong and trusting relationship with your tulpa before you do that. Also gonna note... sometimes im too lazy to let go of front... otherwise id just let them switch in...

I agree with the ethics bit, but I was thinking such a guide would help with my switching endeavors. Possession is something all five of mine can do to some degree, but switching is at a standstill for us (edited)

Well... switching can also be unethical... i am neutral on that part really

7:23 PM

You learn it if you wanna learn it

7:24 PM

And if there are bad consequences to it... like there is with everything... its your own fault for not having trusted your tulpa enough. Imma have a disclaimer on that though

I don't understand the purpose of getting "kicked" out of front, I understand spontaneous possession but being kicked out sounds weird. Just possess? I don't understand, so I'm looking forward to seeing a guide if it comes into fruition. On another note, I don't think switching is unethical - What hosts do with it like ducking out of their lives is the unethical part.

There's already a switching guide that uses a method to kick the host out against their will, but the authors mentioned that as a side effect. I don't believe it's a good idea to advocate that kind of switching behavior, that will create insecurities and trust issues.

I think it's a good read, it may help people switch. I personally tried it, but I don't think it was the right method for me

10:39 PM

This is the guide, the authors didn't submit it but it's linked in their signature: https://bit.ly/36rGST9

Interview with a (Soulbond) Vampire

How We Switch: (And some things you should know if you do) Ember: I would have liked to have addressed this is in its proper chronological context, but there has been so much interest in switching rec

I do only want it for people who really trust each other

I don't see how this could be controversial at all? it's fully consensual on all parts, just involves a little "push"

Non consensual switching doesn't mean the host is okay with the tulpa switching in at any time or letting the tulpa switch in when the host is lazy. Both of those examples are consensual. Non consensual switching is the tulpa doing it against the host's will. Maybe the tulpa gets mad and curses out someone irritating the host, and that's not how the host wanted to resolve that situation. If that is taught, blame falls on the system seeking to achieve that and the guide writer knowing this could happen, more on the guide writter if it's not made clear what is being taught. (edited)

10:59 AM

Once that has been learned, the tulpa and host will fight instead of communicate or negotiate. Not only will that hurt trust, it can lead to a system being dysfunctional.

11:03 AM

If the tulpa decides they are going to do whatever they want and the host or another headmate constantly have to fight them, that's at best a time sink or at worst could create an unstable relationship or get the system in trouble.

we have never done anything against someones will really... like... if ya cant handle it dont do it... its not dangerous unless everyone in the system understands each other well.

11:10 AM

we do it all the time and we are fine with it

11:11 AM

its consensual. We are just allowed to take control at any point without anyone else really knowing...

There's nothing wrong with writing about your system dynamic or teaching it a guide, especially since you guys as a system agreed to that dynamic and it works for you guys. I was only trying to clarify the difference between your dynamic and non consensual switching.

we really intend it to be used when one headmate wants to do something but is too lazy to do it... like getting outta bed or started on a project. We have different willpower weve noticed and we want to try and utilize that

11:14 AM

thats why we want to teach others it...

Feels a tad dangerous, knowing folks stepping into tulpamancy

With careful wording and emphasis on the system agreeing to it, I don't see anything wrong with it

the reason we just dont switch is because that would require effort on the fronters part... which they usually arent able to put in

11:17 AM

well we were implying that it needs to be agree upon. And that there are only special cases when you should use it.

11:17 AM

like imma get this fucking slugabed outta bed right now actually. Been there for like 3 hours yikes

I am a big advocate for control when it comes to these things. I feel like in the case of random switching, that is an example of things starting to pass out of control and I think once you do that you are stepping into very dangerous territory.

good thing no one mentioned "random" switching

I would tend to attribute switching initiated by the tulpa as equivalent to random so long as it isn't established or known before-hand that a switch is going to occur.

So is it ethically correct for a host to be able to kick their tulpa outta front then? Because i could do that with the girls early on? What makes it so hosts should be the only ones able to do this?

For me it's not about ethics of being kicked out, but if the switching is happening without knowledge or intent. If it's like "alright I'm kicking you out now" from the tulpa, that seems alright to me, but if all of a sudden you experience acting differently for no warning and that is "the tulpa just took over" I find that more concerning.

Well they always tell me in advance... unless they gonna write to a friend or something...

5:50 PM

Only like 3 times have they used body parts without consent and it was pretty accidental

5:50 PM

God you make it sound like i am advocating for random switches when i really am not

5:51 PM

I am just wanting the tulpa to be able to take front away from the host... just like i could early on for the girls... not random ass switching

I read up through the conversation and gave my thoughts on/around what people were discussing there, I didn't intend to make a statement about what you specifically were advocating for or respond specifically to you.

Well sure if thats what you intended -_- but its kinda confusing since others kinda misintrepreted me before and since the discussion was about me... if ya get me

I get it, and I'm sorry if I mislead there at all. I didn't intend to make the statement specifically about you (I didn't really know what you specifically were doing either). I saw ranger talking about non-consensual switching and drew my lines from there.

Yeah but i dont advocate for that either... i am all about harmony and doing whats best for each other. But to accomplish that... all parties have to bw equally intependent and strong otherwise its easy to not respect them as people and treat them as tools. Thats kinda why i sacrifice so much control to my girls. Just to really make any disrespectful treatments (not that i am actively trying) towards them, be able to be reciprocated. I think it makes me have to treat them more like real people. Because otherwise there wouldnt really be consequences...

I'm going to jump over to #general-chat before responding further here

Sure

Are there any guides on how to overpower hosts?

Did Tulpa001's guide talk about this?

6:09 PM

I never read it and I think a lot was their research rather than their experiences as a system, but I know Tulpa001 had to force his host out of the front for them to switch